1 Thessalonians 3:9 · King James Version
1 Thessalonians 3:9 in the Original Greek
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1 Thessalonians 3:9 in Other Translations
| KJV | For what thanks can we render to God again for you, for all the joy wherewith we joy for your sakes before our God; |
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| WEB | For what thanksgiving can we render again to God for you, for all the joy with which we rejoice for your sakes before our God; |
| ASV | For what thanksgiving can we render again unto God for you, for all the joy wherewith we joy for your sakes before our God; |
| YLT | for what thanks are we able to recompense to God for you, for all the joy with which we do joy because of you in the presence of our God? |
| WBT | For what thanks can we render to God again for you, for all the joy with which we rejoice for your sakes before our God; |
| DBY | For what thanksgiving can we render to God for you, for all the joy wherewith we rejoice on account of you before our God, |
Commentary on 1 Thessalonians 3:9
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Adam Clarke · 1 Thessalonians 3:9
What thanks can we render to God - The high satisfaction and uncommon joy which the apostle felt are strongly depicted in the language he uses. How near his heart did the success of his ministry lie! It was not enough for him that he preached so often, labored so hard, suffered so much; what were all these if souls were not converted? And what were all conversions, if those who embraced the Gospel did not walk steadily in the way to heaven, and persevere?
John Gill · 1 Thessalonians 3:9
For what thanks can we render to God again or you,.... They had given thanks to God for them before, for their faith, love, and patience; see Th1 1:2 and now having received a further account of them, they looked upon themselves bound to give fresh thanks to God for them, for the increase of their faith and love, and for their perseverance, as they did; see Th2 1:3 since these are gifts of God's grace; but they knew not where to begin, what to render, and when to end: the phrase is much like that in Psa 116:12 "what shall I render unto the Lord", &c.
for all the joy wherewith we joy for your sakes before our God: the joy they had was all joy, perfect and complete in its kind; see Jam 1:2 and it was not for themselves, on their own account, because of any worldly interest or advantage they had therein, but for the sake of these Thessalonians, whose spiritual welfare they rejoiced at: nor was their joy of a carnal nature, but spiritual; it was a joy in the Holy Ghost, and which was hearty and sincere: it was "before God our" God, their covenant God and Father; it was in his sight and presence, who sees and knows all things, all actions, and the principles of them. Though this last clause, "before our God", is in the Syriac version, placed at the beginning of the next verse, according to which, it refers, not to thanks or joy before God, but to prayer before him.
Jamieson, Fausset & Brown · 1 Thessalonians 3:9
For what thanks--what sufficient thanks?
render . . . again--in return for His goodness (Psa 116:12).
for you--"concerning you."
for all the joy--on account of all the joy. It was "comfort," Th1 3:7, now it is more, namely, joy.
for your sakes--on your account.
before our God--It is a joy which will bear God's searching eye: a joy as in the presence of God, not self-seeking, but disinterested, sincere, and spiritual (compare Th1 2:20; Joh 15:11).
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What does 1 Thessalonians 3:9 say?
1 Thessalonians 3:9 in the King James Version reads: “For what thanks can we render to God again for you, for all the joy wherewith we joy for your sakes before our God;” Read it in the full context of 1 Thessalonians 3, alongside the classic commentary on this page.
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1 Thessalonians 3:9 is in the book of 1 Thessalonians, chapter 3, verse 9, in the New Testament.
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Here we have Paul's great satisfaction upon the return of Timothy with good tidings from the Thessalonians, in which we may observe,
I.The good report Timothy made concerning them, Th1 3:6. Without question, he was a willing messenger of these good tidings. Concerning their faith, that is, concerning their stedfastness in the faith, that they were not shaken in mind, nor turned aside form the profession of the gospel. Their love also continued; their love to the gospel, and the ministers of the gospel. For they had a good and a kind remembrance of the apostles, and that constantly, or always. The names of the apostles were very dear to them, and the thoughts of them, and what they themselves had received from them, were very precious, insomuch that they desired greatly to see them again, and receive some spiritual gift from them; and there was no love lost, for the apostle was as desirous to see them. It is happy where there is such mutual love between minister and people. This tends to promote religion, and the success of the gospel. The world hates them, and therefore they should love one another.
II.The great comfort and satisfaction the apostle had in this good report concerning them (Th1 3:7, Th1 3:8): Therefore, brethren, we were comforted in all our affliction and distress. The apostle thought this good news of them was sufficient to balance all the troubles he met with. It was easy to him to bear affliction, or persecution, or fightings from without, when he found the good success of his ministry and the constancy of the converts he had made to Christianity; and his distress of mind on account of his fears within, lest he had laboured in vain, was now in a good measure over, when he understood their faith and the perseverance of it. This put new life and spirit into the apostle and made him vigorous and active in the work of the Lord. Thus he was not only comforted, but greatly rejoiced also: Now we live, if you stand fast in the Lord, Th1 3:8. It would have been a killing thing to the apostles if the professors of religion had been unsteady, or proved apostates; whereas nothing was more encouraging than their constancy.
III.The effects of this were thankfulness and prayer to God on their behalf. Observe, 1. How thankful the apostle was, Th1 3:9. He was full of joy, and full of praise and thanksgiving. When we are most cheerful we should be most thankful. What we rejoice in we should give thanks for. This is to rejoice before our God, to spiritualize our joy. Paul speaks as if he could not tell how to express his thankfulness to God, or his joy and rejoicing for their sakes. But he was careful God should not lose the glory of the comfort he received in the welfare of his friends. His heart was enlarged with love to them and with thanksgiving to God. He was willing to express the one and the other as well as he could. As to thankfulness to God, this especially is very imperfect in the present state; but, when we come to heaven, we shall do this work better than now we can. 2. He prayed for them night and day (Th1 3:10), evening and morning, or very frequently, in the midst of the business of the day or slumber of the night lifting up his heart to God in prayer. Thus we should pray always. And Paul's prayer was fervent prayer. He prayed exceedingly, and was earnest in his supplication. Note, When we are most thankful we should always give ourselves to prayer; and those we give thanks for have yet need to be prayed for. Those whom we most rejoice in, and who are our greatest comforts, must be our constant care, while in this world of temptation and imperfection. There was something still lacking in their faith; Paul desired that this might be perfected, and to see their face in order thereunto. Note, (1.) The best of men have something wanting in their faith, if not as to the matter of it, there being some mysteries or doctrines not sufficiently known or believed by them, yet as to the clearness and certainty of their faith, there being some remaining darkness and doubtings, or at least as to the effects and operations of it, these being not so conspicuous and perfect as they should be. And, (2.) The ministry of the word and ordinances is helpful, and to be desired and used for the perfecting of that which is lacking in our faith.